Liz...you have some 'splaining to do!!!

I noticed she was damn near on his lap as they were talking. Even Ty said that she was to close to a married man.

Well you know Liz, if it's somebody else's dick she's on it

Okay, most women show a little cleavage or something when they try to get a man's attention. Not Liz! She pulls out the kiddos! She's a sneaky little ho.

Some of you Liz haters keep forgetting she has only slept with 4 guys in her life, not counting the rape. Two she was married to! So two ONS is practially virginal in the sosoap world. It's not like she slept with both in the same night like others who shall remain nameless...

KathyLuvsJason wrote:Some of you Liz haters keep forgetting she has only slept with 4 guys in her life, not counting the rape. Two she was married to! So two ONS is practially virginal in the sosoap world. It's not like she slept with both in the same night like others who shall remain nameless...

Oh, but she totally would if she get a sitter to keep her kids long enough to get it done, as long as one of the two was someone else's man & not her own.


I still love ya Kathi. Don't be mad at me.

KathyLuvsJason wrote:Some of you Liz haters keep forgetting she has only slept with 4 guys in her life, not counting the rape. Two she was married to! So two ONS is practially virginal in the sosoap world. It's not like she slept with both in the same night like others who shall remain nameless...

While this is true, with Liz it's more a case of quality over quantity. Her sluttiness was just so slutty that it outshines the fact that she's only slept with 4 men. The fact that her two children were concieved from ONS while she was married is what makes her a ho to me. It's also what leads me to believe that she will do it again. However, I don't really think she'll do anything with Patrick. Not because she's a saint, because she's definitely not, but because she isn't married right now. Maybe she'll change her M.O. though, and settle for the man being married!

KMonacoRocks wrote:

KathyLuvsJason wrote:Some of you Liz haters keep forgetting she has only slept with 4 guys in her life, not counting the rape. Two she was married to! So two ONS is practially virginal in the sosoap world. It's not like she slept with both in the same night like others who shall remain nameless...

While this is true, with Liz it's more a case of quality over quantity. Her sluttiness was just so slutty that it outshines the fact that she's only slept with 4 men. The fact that her two children were concieved from ONS while she was married is what makes her a ho to me. It's also what leads me to believe that she will do it again. However, I don't really think she'll do anything with Patrick. Not because she's a saint, because she's definitely not, but because she isn't married right now. Maybe she'll change her M.O. though, and settle for the man being married!

ITA

Kathy don't worry I am here so you are not all by your lonesome!




First on tthe subject of Liz bein a Ho. Each situation is conditional. As you all know I am fans of both girls but you cannot (well obviously you can but you should not) give one girl a bye ie... Sam & the kidnapping, sleeping w/ Ric & her past yet crucify Liz.

Liz slept with Zander AFTER her marraige fell apart w/ Ric. IDC what anyone says that was all Rics fault w/ the drugging of Liz, Faith involvoement, & holding Carly in a PANIC ROOM.

Liz slept w/ Jason AFTER her marraige fell apart DUE to Lucky's drug habit, sleeping w/ Maxie, actin a fool & accusing Liz of being a ho.

Neither Zander nor Jaon were attached to other men at the time! Zander was dealing w/ his breakup w. Em & Jaon was upset due to witnessing Sam sleep w/ Ric. BUT again Jason & Zander were both broken apart from their significant others.

BACK TO THE SITUATION AT HAND: Liz is tryign to be a friend to BOTH Pat & Robin. Pat has been out of line & the only thing I fault liz for is not seeing Pats flirtiness w/ her.

I will say that I thought Liz was out of line & bitching back at Robin becuz she was mad at the image of Robin in Jason's arms. But that was the only time she was out of line!

All IMO of course

Thank you Stacy!!!! You said everything I wanted to!!! I just got home from vacation tonite and came here to elaborate on my post. It drives me nuts trying to type on my Ipod.

Stacy wrote:Kathy don't worry I am here so you are not all by your lonesome!




First on tthe subject of Liz bein a Ho. Each situation is conditional. As you all know I am fans of both girls but you cannot (well obviously you can but you should not) give one girl a bye ie... Sam & the kidnapping, sleeping w/ Ric & her past yet crucify Liz.

Liz slept with Zander AFTER her marraige fell apart w/ Ric. IDC what anyone says that was all Rics fault w/ the drugging of Liz, Faith involvoement, & holding Carly in a PANIC ROOM.

Liz slept w/ Jason AFTER her marraige fell apart DUE to Lucky's drug habit, sleeping w/ Maxie, actin a fool & accusing Liz of being a ho.

Neither Zander nor Jaon were attached to other men at the time! Zander was dealing w/ his breakup w. Em & Jaon was upset due to witnessing Sam sleep w/ Ric. BUT again Jason & Zander were both broken apart from their significant others.

BACK TO THE SITUATION AT HAND: Liz is tryign to be a friend to BOTH Pat & Robin. Pat has been out of line & the only thing I fault liz for is not seeing Pats flirtiness w/ her.

I will say that I thought Liz was out of line & bitching back at Robin becuz she was mad at the image of Robin in Jason's arms. But that was the only time she was out of line!

All IMO of course

Great post Stacy.. and the word is women... Zander and Jason are both straight I agree with this post!

Kathy,

I hope your vacation was Fabulous!!!!!



Mac, good catch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wasn't going to mention Sam because she isn't part of this storyline, yet I feel that I must explain my reasonings for giving her a bye regarding her past mistakes.

When Sam has made mistakes, and yes, there have been plenty, she admits to being wrong. She says: I messed up, I was wrong, I was drunk, I should have done this instead. I have yet to hear her say that Ric forced her to have sex with him or get drunk, or that she did it because she was upset about Alexis convincing Jason that he was too dangerous for her. While that last reason may have been a big factor in her mistake, she did not place blame on anyone other than herself. The same can be said for her lack of action during the kidnapping, and the faked hold up in the park. (However, I think that while she took the wrong actions, she did have a point that Liz was not thinking seriously about how dangerous life with Jason was and whether she was equipped to take action should it be necessary) In all of those instances, she admitted that she was wrong and she made a mistake and always showed remorse.

Now, my memory is very foggy regarding Liz's ONS with Zander because it didn't involve any of my favorite characters at the time, and she generally bored me, but I remember her ONS with Jason very well. She tried to reason that she slept with Jason because Sam slept with Ric and Lucky slept with Maxie. While that may be why she and Jason were upset, that was no reason to sleep with him. She may as well have said, Lucky slept with Maxie and oops, Jason fell on top of me! She never said, I made a mistake, I was wrong, I shouldn't have come here, I was drunk. She also said that she didn't do anything wrong, and she wasn't sorry that she did it.

That is why I feel that she has been slutty in the past, and why I feel that she will eventually do the same thing again.

It's not Lizzie's sluttiness that makes me dislike her so vehemently. I tend to enjoy the slutty characters the most. They are the most fun to watch. With Liz, It's her attitude. I find her to be snarky & snotty & judgemental. The way she talks down to Rebecca is a perfect example. She makes me want to throw things through my TV screen.

That's just how I feel. No amount of proclomations of wrongness & guilt on her part will make me like her. IMO, it would take a surgeon more brilliant & skilled than Patrick to remove that ginormous stick out of her butt, & even if that surgery were successful, I would still hate her just beacause I want to, & I have that right. Just like Kathy & Stacy have the right to like her, just because they want to. They don't have to explain themselves to me.

Okay, I'm going to try this again. The board logged me out after I typed my response!

Amy! You never cease to amaze me with your ability to read my mind! I also hate Liz's snark and holier than thou attitude. I tend to enjoy the more slutty characters as well, but her slutty moments did nothing for me. However, her attitude regarding her ONSs has been terrible because she fails to take any of the blame for her actions. Everything that she has done is someone elses fault. That attitude combined with her lack of remorse leads me to believe that she hasn't learned from her mistakes and she will repeat them. I would still hate her, but I wouldn't think that she would do it again, as opposed to the mistakes that Sam has made.

The ONS with Zander was so long ago I don't remember the exact details, other than they were locked in a crypt together at one point. It was way too long ago.

The ONS with Jason, however, was not just a runof the mill ONS. Those two had been dancing around each other since Lucky "died", and it was a long time coming. It was someone she actually cared about and had a long relationship with.

Actually, Jaosn & Liz did have sex once before, but the scene was rewritten and refilmed before showing, according to Steve Burton himself. LOL Funny thing is, it was the night that Liz found Lucky in bed with her sister Sarah. Something about seeing Lucky in bed with other women makes her want to sleep with Jason.

I don't enjoy the slutty characters that much, not sure why. Only if they are fun as well.

I love ya girls! That being said the ONS w/ Zander was actually after the crypt. Zander & Liz were in a semi-relationship during one of the Liason go arounds. Then Emily came back & Zem were back on( I believe this is about a year or two after Liz & Zander were "dating") She had cancer realized she loved Nic & vice versa. they ended up sleeping together & Zander seen them.


I don't know exactly what was going on w/ Liz at the exact time except that it was after the panic room, yes they had not divorced yet but they were not living together any longer.

So yeah it was a one night stand but nothing slutty about it. Zander wasn't w/ anyone & neither was Liz.

I feel the same about Jason & Liz. Why shold she have to explain what happened neither were attached (Jason & Sam had been broken up for awhile & Liz left Lucky when she found him sleeping w/ Maxie).

But to each there own because I like her so I just don't get it!

I still don't think she's crossing a line w/ Pat.

KathyLuvsJason wrote:Some of you Liz haters keep forgetting she has only slept with 4 guys in her life, not counting the rape. Two she was married to! So two ONS is practially virginal in the sosoap world. It's not like she slept with both in the same night like others who shall remain nameless...

I'm not forgetting anything about Liz...I've just noticed her pattern, & Pattycakes is lined up to be the next body in her bed.

& about the bolded...I don't like (or excuse) a character simply b/c another character has done "worse", either by soap standards or my own. I like them or I don't...I believe their rationalizations & guilt or I don't. I think they're interesting or I don't. I don't compare various characters to excuse why I like the ones I do. I accept my girl Sam is a slut & I don't care. @ least she isn't going after a married man who's wife has PPD.

Stacy wrote:Kathy don't worry I am here so you are not all by your lonesome!




First on tthe subject of Liz bein a Ho. Each situation is conditional. As you all know I am fans of both girls but you cannot (well obviously you can but you should not) give one girl a bye ie... Sam & the kidnapping, sleeping w/ Ric & her past yet crucify Liz.

I think most girls on soaps are hoes, including some of my faves. But, at least those hoes embrace it Liz slept with Zander AFTER her marraige fell apart w/ Ric. IDC what anyone says that was all Rics fault w/ the drugging of Liz, Faith involvoement, & holding Carly in a PANIC ROOM.

Liz slept w/ Jason AFTER her marraige fell apart DUE to Lucky's drug habit, sleeping w/ Maxie, actin a fool & accusing Liz of being a ho.

All that matters is that she was still married to the her husbands. If she wanted to go dicking around, she could have gotten a divorce first.

Neither Zander nor Jaon were attached to other men at the time! Zander was dealing w/ his breakup w. Em & Jaon was upset due to witnessing Sam sleep w/ Ric. BUT again Jason & Zander were both broken apart from their significant others.

I think you mean they weren'te attached to women

But, Zander was her BFFs man. Jason was still hung up on Sam. That is the only reason he slept with Liz. He was drunk and wanted to get the image of Sam screwing another guy out of his head.

BACK TO THE SITUATION AT HAND: Liz is tryign to be a friend to BOTH Pat & Robin. Pat has been out of line & the only thing I fault liz for is not seeing Pats flirtiness w/ her.

I will say that I thought Liz was out of line & bitching back at Robin becuz she was mad at the image of Robin in Jason's arms. But that was the only time she was out of line!

She has been out of line too many times IMO

All IMO of course

With that being said, I love all my Liz fans.

Is it ok for the guys to go sleeping around? NO. So why is it so bad for her? The marriage was over - there was no need to wait for the papers to be signed.

I don't think Liz went to Jason with the intention on sleeping with him. Just like Carly runs to him with every problem, Liz used to do that as well. She had been doing it for years, so when she caught Lucky YET AGAIN in bed wit another woman, it was natural for her to go to Jaosn for a shoulder to cry on.

I only compare characters when I feel it's necessary to defend them, not only Liz but others I feel are being unfairly accused. On the slut meter, she is way down low, compared to the others on our screens.

Kathy you are totally correct that it is NOT okay for the guys to sleep around, but that doesn't mean the woman should either, IMO. However, in Lucky's case, he was addicted to the painkillers and Maxie was blackmailing him. The addiction was also feeding his paranoia. No, that doesn't make it okay, but it does explain that Lucky was not in his right mind at the time. He has shown regret for his actions, which is more than I can say for some people.

We sure are some passionate people about our GHers.

KMonacoRocks wrote:Kathy you are totally correct that it is NOT okay for the guys to sleep around, but that doesn't mean the woman should either, IMO. However, in Lucky's case, he was addicted to the painkillers and Maxie was blackmailing him. The addiction was also feeding his paranoia. No, that doesn't make it okay, but it does explain that Lucky was not in his right mind at the time. He has shown regret for his actions, which is more than I can say for some people.

I can give him a tiny bit of forgiveness when it comes to his addiction, but will never forgive him for sleeping with Sarah.

Nor will I forgive Sarah for sleeping with him (gotta be fair.)